Hey look man, my name's "I-smel". What I lack in smarts, I at least pay back in honesty. Boink!
Age 33, Male
England, MAN-CHESTer
Joined on 3/2/06
Hmm so your complaining about the professionalism of this site but you get sponsered for making your stuff? Why complain? Your getting money for it.
I dont get payed for any of it and tbh it doesnt bother me that there is hentai on this site. Sure i get a bit annoyed if something i made gets overlooked but due to your sponsership thats never going to happen. So i dont know what your complaining about.
this isn't what I was talkin about
to be honest i-smel, the fact that this site is full of henta and cock jokes is what atrracted me and my freinds to the site intialy.
I think you must have a differnt kind of freinds then me, but none of my freinds dont know what hentai is.And most of them love cock joooooooookekkkkkkessss.
anyways, I agree with ansel , meet and fuck dosent deserve to be on front page, but thats only cuase he dosent put much effort into thoose cartoons.
Wow...I've never heard of the flash gaming summit... Why aren't we in that?!
As for what you wrote (even after reading the edit) you still hit the nail on the head.
I mean, I've known Newgrounds since way back when it was in the Dark ages. And even though things have gotten better around here, I still don't promote the site everywhere I go for the same reasons you've mentioned.
Forget about hentai and stuff of course (even though we have a "Lin's Dick" icon on the front page where every pre-teen can see). The frontpage still persists in problems when you get cheesy flashes showing up for no other reason than it appealed to one staff member.
It's alright to get some stuff on like your "Cannoncrotch" or "Walk in the woods" once in a while, but how long ago was it that we had "butt fights" or "No big deal" ?
As for the NG tank. The problem with that wasn't just the presentation. "Chucks New Tux" was funny and I liked it, but it was originally a staff inclusion rather than a flash that the people of NG pushed forward. Makes it feel somewhat underhanded...
I dunno but I think Will and Jeff influence a lot of the dumber jokes with their cool/ immature/ silly web personalities. It's a good thing they're not in charge or we'd all be rolling in cum ;)
The ending made me rofl. All told, you're right on both accounts. Newgrounds should never take itself too seriously, but why go to all the effort to make these awesome awards, then devalue them with the incredible levels of corn they added to that video. Sure, it's the ultimate lulz, but this isn't 4chan. :3
Newgrounds didn't start as a professional website. It started as a home for games like club-a-seal. It's original motto was "The Problems of the Future, Today". This website has gotten flak for being crude and disturbing since day 1. Hell, they even pissed off Disney and Telletubies in their first couple of years and had legal action threatened.
Now it has become slightly more professional, but Newgrounds is also a non-censorship website. So when they say "Everything by Everyone" they mean it. So if somebody submits "DickCheese Master 3" and it's a damn good game, then it gets front page, because it's something by someone
Newgrounds has never been, never intended to be, and most likely never will be, a professional classy site. This website is Tom's, and he loves it, and he is most likely amused by the amount of dress up games and hentai quizzes on the site. He's not going to ignore or lie about certain aspects of his site because it makes people feel warm and fuzzy inside.
But if you feel there is a problem, then the problem is the lack of censorship. The more you can do in an anonymous environment, the worse things you do. That is why Newgrounds has it's spam/porn flash, Youtube has it's poop, and 4chan has it's, well, special qualities.
But that's the dilemma, you've got to take the good in with the bad. You've got to accept that this site is EVERYTHING by EVERYONE and the flashes that make it through to the front page have been chosen by both the leaders and the people. If you don't like it, well, then I think this site isn't for you anymore and it may be time to move on.
Newgrounds = E by E even REs
I'm gonna raise a few million in venture capital and then NG can have its own summits and industry parties for all the big industry people and that will prove to the industry that we're the industry leaders, right?????
And the whole hentai issue will be settled because our investors won't allow hentai on the site. But that's cool because we'll be on the fast track to getting sold and then I can finally get my MILLIONS.
I just hope you're ready for your next game to be about THE GREAT TASTE OF COCA COLA!
But in retrospect I actually do feel like I shitted up the awards by making hentai jokes. It's awkward standing in front of a green screen so you joke around a lot to liven things up, and it's hard to feign sincerity when you have giant lights on you but no audience. Next year's awards will either be better or another front page post.
When you stop thinkin about it as a full site an start thinkin about it on a personal level then it's easier to empathise.
I know you edited your post and said nice stuff but I was in a bad mood today and drinking isn't fixing it so now I feel like I need to keep writing.
I wonder if I've done NG a disservice by NOT selling it. In the hands of a larger company, it would be treated with the DIGNITY and RESPECT that it deserves...
But that's the thing... We treat NG with LOVE and PLAYFULNESS because it's our baby and we made it. Other people don't make their websites, they have them made. Kongregate's web design, to my knowledge, was by a consulting firm in Philadelphia. And there isn't an "owner", it's the product of millions of dollars from numerous investors. Yes, there IS a vision and there IS leadership and they ARE cool people, but it's still a product, and as the caretakers of a product the Kong team treats their site with DIGNITY and RESPECT.
And that's FINE... Kong is a great site, what can I say... But there IS a difference between Newgrounds and most websites. And plenty of people prefer most websites to Newgrounds so they can go fuck off. I can tell you though, we ARE attempting to do something much bigger than these other sites. It has just been taking TOO FUCKING LONG to get there because I won't just SELL THE FUCKING SITE and get all those DELICIOUS RESOURCES so I can get you the VISION much faster. BTW the rest of the Internet quite frankly sucks IMHO, just thought I would get that out there.
And none of this has anything to do with your complaint about the awards so I'm just deflecting my own personal insecurities and foamy rants... We could have done a much more professional awards show with our resources, but we just didn't have it in us this year.
And I don't really play the hentai games. I barely even play Street Fighter. I don't know why I let it persist, it's just part of the chaos of NG and I've always liked the chaos.
I genuinely did change my mind about an hour after posting though, I'm not like JUST saying nice things. I realised that I was focusing on all the wrong points.
I like the shit about Newgrounds being made top to bottom by the staff guys. That's pretty amazing knowing that nobody ever does that.
Tom all the chaos is going on in your recent posts, put that shit on the front page! That pixelated frog flash was so simple and one of my favourite flashes ever.
Good call, that Frog movie was a big inspiration to keep trying to post more overlooked Flash. I'm front paging it.
Professionalism is SO SHITTY
IT'S DOWNRIGHT POO-PLEXING
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ah hell with this.
WHERE'S YOUR NEW GAME? >:C
up for bid. It's got 1 bid so far at $2000.
I feel you man, i feel you. Also no way are you from Manchester, hey man i'm near there :D.
awright mint. There's a couple o game devs from manchester, like good ones. but youre GONNA HAVE TO GUESS WHO :O
I totally get what you're saying (I think). What newgrounds needs isn't to get rid of all that unprofessional stuff, because it's laid-back almost-anything-goes attitude is exactly what gives it heart. But some sort of filter (like actually keeping the sex stuff in the "mature" tab, or at the very least off the front page) would make the site more presentable to random newcomers.
Tom, I think you took I-smell's comments all wrong. I'm pretty sure he didn't mean that the love and playfulness are in any way a bad thing; he was just lamenting the fact that this sort of place seems weird to those not acquainted with the internet subculture. He gets there in his responses to comments, I hope you read that shit when you sober up... but now it's my turn to go get drunk!
Good luck I-smel with all your endeavors!
yeah that's exactly what I was sayin
I thought the first thing when I watched it. Tom more or less made fun of the community while trying to disguise it. I noticed that and I am just a critic with a few original ideas. I am glad some one caught on. And I agree with you edit also. Also for your new game have you tried thegamehomepage.com, myspace (prolly wont want that one), or bubblebox?
I've just sold it
^^^ congratz
Hooray! Can't wait to try it!
vid3oman64
(Though I have no submissions, I've been to NG since 01 on and off on another account, MarcusGlayson.)
I have to agree. The setup of Newgrounds is spectacular. Fulp and the others just give us a lassez faire system for original submissions, gave us a few powers and a few restrictions, and walk away. (Not to say they abandon the site, but they let us make the major decisions.) Absolutely ingenious, but it does leave the door open for creations that are... less than inspired. All it takes is for one person to have their quality submission snubbed by a cock-joke or two for them to show apathy, and for that apathy to spread.
I also hope to use Newgrounds as a hub to provide quality Flash games, and to provide exposure. I worry that I will be snubbed, but I have confidence.
I-smel
okay this topic seems to av shifted into something completely different.